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		<title>Interview about IntraVenus</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Female Icons: it&#8217;s not the gaze but the looks is a fascinating project by De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research, that explores what makes a woman an icon through a rich variety of means, including workshops, streaming lectures, online data collecting and new media works on view such as She… by Renee Turner and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 130px"><a href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html"><img title="IntraVenus" src="http://www.crissxross.net/ImagesEarlyWk/IntraVthumb1.jpg" alt="IntraVenus" width="120" height="100" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">IntraVenus</p></div>
<p><strong><a title="De Geuzen's Female Icons project" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/">Female Icons: it&#8217;s not the gaze but the looks</a></strong> is a fascinating project by <a title="De Geuzen - a Renee Turner, Riek Sijbring &amp; Femke Snelting collaboration" href="http://www.geuzen.org/">De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research</a>, that explores what makes a woman an icon through a rich variety of means, including <a title="Female Icons workshops" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?cat=241">workshops</a>, <a title="Female Icons streaming lectures" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?cat=237">streaming lectures</a>, <a title="Female Icons online data collecting" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?page_id=386">online data collecting</a> and new media works <a title="On view at the Femaie Icons site" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?cat=332">on view</a> such as <a title="She... a narrative collage of fact and fiction by Renee Turner" href="http://www.fudgethefacts.com/she_/launch.html"><strong>She…</strong></a> by <a title="fudgethefacts.com - Renee's blog" href="http://www.fudgethefacts.com/">Renee Turner</a> and my own <a title="IntraVenus - the artist and her muse, a Flash movie by Christine Wilks" href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html"><strong>IntraVenus</strong></a>.</p>
<p>In December 2007 Renee <a title="my interview in the Female Icons archive" href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?p=443">interviewed me</a> about <a title="IntraVenus - the artist and her muse, a Flash movie by Christine Wilks" href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html">IntraVenus</a> for the Female Icons archive. I reproduce it here:</p>
<h4>The Interview</h4>
<blockquote><p>Renee Turner: Can you give me a little background on <a title="IntraVenus - the artist and her muse, a Flash movie by Christine Wilks" href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html">IntraVenus</a>, meaning what your impetus was to make the work?</p></blockquote>
<p>Christine Wilks: I created the images some time ago when I was a young art student. At the time I felt somewhat overwhelmed by the predominance of the female nude throughout art history and felt the pressure of this archetypal image (exacerbated by being taught by an almost entirely male staff) was interfering with my ability to visualise myself as a practising artist. I wanted to explore this, to get inside the image and challenge it directly with my own body. I was quite surprised when the images turned out to look so violent, the way my body looked so battered and bruised. It was disturbing, but all the more fitting since my self-image as an artist was bruised.<span id="more-356"></span></p>
<div id="attachment_364" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 130px"><a href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-364" title="a still from IntraVenus" src="http://crissxross.net/wilx/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/intravthumb2.jpg" alt="from IntraVenus" width="120" height="100" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">from IntraVenus</p></div>
<p>I ended up with a whole load of 35mm transparencies which I filmed on a 16mm rostrum camera and added a kind of abstract sound track &#8211; but I was never entirely happy with this version. I’d reduced myself to an image and hadn’t even given myself a voice. So after showing the work a few times on tour with some other women film-makers, the work languished unseen &#8211; or to quote the work itself, IntraVenus laid fallow for many years.</p>
<p>Then in 2004, thanks to getting involved with the <a title="trAce online writing centre archive" href="http://tracearchive.ntu.ac.uk/index.asp">trAce online writing centre</a>, I started to create rich media for the web. After many years of going down creative cul-de-sacs or veering off on detours, this finally felt like the perfect arena for me as an artist. Rooting around in some boxes one day, I found the 35mm slides and decided to scan them into my computer. I realised I was finally ready and able to write the soundtrack/voice-over that the images needed.</p>
<blockquote><p>RT: As a projection, you chose Titian&#8217;s Venus of Urbino, why that particular Venus above all others from art history?</p></blockquote>
<div id="attachment_376" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 150px"><img class="size-full wp-image-376" title="Venus of Urbino" src="http://crissxross.net/wilx/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/intravthumb3.jpg" alt="Titian's Venus" width="140" height="100" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Titian&#39;s Venus</p></div>
<p>CW: I was attracted to her &#8211; her fishlike softness, her gaze, the way her hand rests in her crotch, the two women in the background looking in the chest (what are they looking for?). Plus, on a practical level, I found I could fit my body into hers the best. I tried many other images &#8211; Manet’s Olympia, Ingre’s Grande Odalisque, Boucher’s Nude on a Sofa, etc. &#8211; but Titian’s Venus was the best fit…!</p>
<blockquote><p>RT: The Muse is on the one hand passive, a classical female nude who is the recipient of the gaze and on the other, without the muse, creativity cannot take place.   In myth and art history, she is actually the one who ignites the creative process.   Can you talk about the some of the contradictions of the Muse as an archetypal female figure within the creative arts?     (I imagine this question will bring up the fact that you&#8217;re a woman making art&#8230;  and yet art historically, women could inspire but not create.)</p></blockquote>
<p>CW: Personally, I don’t know whether the idea of the muse is very helpful. Usually I don’t feel the need to personify the source of my creativity, but in this instance, with the repurposing of the images for <a title="IntraVenus - the artist and her muse, a Flash movie by Christine Wilks" href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html">IntraVenus</a>, it helped me out of an impasse. I wanted to address my situation as a female artist who, in the past, felt she had lost her way and succumbed to unproductive periods, times when it would seem her muse had deserted her… if you believe in that kind of thing&#8230; Well, I certainly didn’t then and I didn’t spend my time hanging around, waiting for the muse to strike. But, crucially, I didn’t believe in myself as an artist either. I neglected that vital core of my being. Ironically, it was by tackling head-on the archetypal idea of the female muse that restored me as an artist.</p>
<p><a title="IntraVenus - the artist and her muse, a Flash movie by Christine Wilks" href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html">IntraVenus</a> is about taking creative responsibility. As an artist, one must choose one’s own muse. If you choose a damaging muse, a muse that silences you, that batters your creative ego, then it’s going to be a long and difficult struggle &#8211; which it was for me… until now. Now I feel free of the dodgy muse that wants to silence me.</p>
<p>Whether your muse, if you need one, is male or female, depends on how the fancy takes you.</p>
<blockquote><p>RT: Can you discuss the use of projection in the piece and how that works symbolically?</p></blockquote>
<p>CW: ‘According to Corey Mixon, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one &#8220;projects&#8221; one&#8217;s own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else.’ [quote from: <a title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection">Psychological Projection, </a><a title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection">wikipedia.org</a>]</p>
<p>There’s a strong connection between projecting an image and the concept of psychological projection. I project the object of art, in this case the female nude, the object of the male gaze, onto myself, the subject, the artist. I become both subject and object. It’s my subjective view but  it’s complicated because I’ve internalised the objectification of the female body in art and it projects back onto me, doing me visual ‘damage’, interfering with my ability as a female artist to picture myself &#8211; both to represent myself visually as unequivocally and sexually female, and to psychologically picture myself as an artist. My internal self-image as an artist becomes distorted and damaged, which inhibits my creativity. For me, psychologically, the only way out of this is to face it and struggle with it, to challenge it, to do battle with the demons. So I project onto myself what I most fear &#8211; passivity, being unable to act, being unable to create as an artist &#8211; and in the act of doing this, I am creating. It’s the way out.</p>
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		<title>IntraVenus &amp; Female Icons</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Female Icons: it&#8217;s not the gaze, but the look Recently Renee Turner interviewed me about IntraVenus, one of my short Flash moving pix, for De Geuzen’s fascinating Female Icons site which explores what makes a woman an icon. From the Virgin Mary, to Marilyn Monroe, to Madonna, a select group of women have been canonized, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><a href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/" title="Female Icons">Female Icons: it&#8217;s not the gaze, but the look</a></h4>
<p>Recently Renee Turner <a href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/?p=443" title="Interview about IntraVenus">interviewed me</a> about <a href="http://www.crissxross.net/MovingPix/IntraVenus.html" title="IntraVenus (3 mins)"><strong>IntraVenus</strong></a>, one of my short Flash <a href="http://www.crissxross.net/movpix.html" title="moving pix at crissXross">moving pix</a>, for <a href="http://www.geuzen.org/" title="De Geuzen">De Geuzen’s</a> fascinating <a href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/" title="De Geuzen's Female Icons site"><strong>Female Icons</strong></a> site which explores what makes a woman an icon.</p>
<blockquote><p>From the Virgin Mary, to Marilyn Monroe, to Madonna, a select group of women have been canonized, mythologized and elevated to the status of icon.</p>
<p>Whether idolized or vilified, they reveal something about the social underpinnings of the feminine in all its clichés, perversities and conventions.</p></blockquote>
<p align="center"> <a href="http://www.geuzen.org/female_icons/" title="IntraVenus at De Geuzen’s Female Icons site"><img src="http://crissxross.net/wilx/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/IntraViconsImpers.jpg" alt="IntraVenus at De Geuzen’s Female Icons site and the Female Icons Impersonator" border="1" /></a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a wonderful wealth of material on the site and many ways to contribute. One of my favourite elements of the project is the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/degeuzen/sets/72157594421254742/" title="Female Icons Impersonator at Flickr"><strong>Female Icons Impersonator</strong></a>. Go to the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/degeuzen/sets/72157594421254742/" title="Female Icon Impersonator">Flickr page</a> and add your own. I found it such fun, I also animated mine: <a href="http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/" title="used to be big - Flash from the remix"><strong>used to be big</strong></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get FlashPlayer we had faces and nice moves, it&#8217;s the pictures that got small for remix_runran &#8211; me as Gloria Swanson playing Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard for dgeuzen&#8217;s Female Icon Impersonator flash source: i_am_big_.fla note: if you&#8217;re on a page with clinking sounds, scroll up to necked and click on the bottles to turn [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center"> <strong>we had faces and <a href="http://www.runran.net/remix_runran/?p=73#comment-509" target="_blank">nice moves</a>, it&#8217;s the pictures that got small</strong></p>
<p>for <a href="http://www.runran.net/remix_runran">remix_runran</a> &#8211; me as Gloria Swanson playing Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard for dgeuzen&#8217;s <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/degeuzen/sets/72157594421254742/" rel="nofollow">Female Icon Impersonator</a></p>
<p>flash source: <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/christinewilks/remix/i_am_big_mx.fla" target="_blank">i_am_big_.fla</a></p>
<p align="left"><em><strong>note:</strong> if you&#8217;re on a page with clinking sounds, scroll up to <strong>necked</strong> and click on the bottles to turn off </em></p>
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