Comments on: used to be big http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/ remixes + e-lit + new media + digital art + writing by christine wilks Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:21:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: crissXross / wilX » Blog Archive » IntraVenus at Females Icons http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-129 crissXross / wilX » Blog Archive » IntraVenus at Females Icons Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:17:21 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-129 [...] There’s a wonderful wealth of material on the site and many ways to contribute. One of my favourite elements of the project is the Female Icons Impersonator. Go to the Flickr page and add your own. I found it such fun, I animated mine: used to be big [...] [...] There’s a wonderful wealth of material on the site and many ways to contribute. One of my favourite elements of the project is the Female Icons Impersonator. Go to the Flickr page and add your own. I found it such fun, I animated mine: used to be big [...]

]]> By: wilx http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-36 wilx Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:09:19 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-36 yes randy the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing at all times and the main thing is to create yes randy

the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing at all times

and the main thing is to create

]]> By: runran http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-35 runran Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:50:19 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-35 yes /t. i well remember when jim left webartery because it didn't <i>properly</i> promote <i>webart</i>, and the terrible arguments between jim and alan s. and mez ... i just sat back and shook my head thinking about the old arguments between the formalists and everyone else in the art world ... i am thinking now that christine should not worry about being out of her depth or about the commercial art world because that kind of worrying tends to paralyze an artist ... just create work >:r yes /t. i well remember when jim left webartery because it didn’t properly promote webart, and the terrible arguments between jim and alan s. and mez … i just sat back and shook my head thinking about the old arguments between the formalists and everyone else in the art world … i am thinking now that christine should not worry about being out of her depth or about the commercial art world because that kind of worrying tends to paralyze an artist … just create work

>:r

]]> By: /t. http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-34 /t. Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:06:11 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-34 a flash file is a complex file -- containing control codes plus a variety of simple files -- think of it as special training for your browser, or perhaps a tumor :) /t. a flash file is a complex file –
containing control codes plus a variety of simple files — think of it as special training for your browser, or perhaps a tumor :)

/t.

]]> By: wilx http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-30 wilx Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:11:21 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-30 what gets me down sometimes is that there's so much technically brilliant - i mean highly skilled but also very imaginative - commercial art done with flash, photoshop, illustrator, etc. that it seems to swamp everything else. the danger is it sets the tone, sets the benchmark because they come up with so many great ideas which can be very seductive. sometimes i think, i can't compete with that, what's the point? the point is there's no competition, not on a deeper level - and why let the commercial world have it all their own way? /t - discrete elements? i don't know, but a .swf file is just another media object like any other, isn't it? ... i'm straying out of my depth here... better shut up and go to bed. cXs what gets me down sometimes is that there’s so much technically brilliant – i mean highly skilled but also very imaginative – commercial art done with flash, photoshop, illustrator, etc. that it seems to swamp everything else. the danger is it sets the tone, sets the benchmark because they come up with so many great ideas which can be very seductive. sometimes i think, i can’t compete with that, what’s the point?

the point is there’s no competition, not on a deeper level – and why let the commercial world have it all their own way?

/t – discrete elements? i don’t know, but a .swf file is just another media object like any other, isn’t it? … i’m straying out of my depth here… better shut up and go to bed.

cXs

]]> By: /t. http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-29 /t. Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:39:07 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-29 randy, certainly the work of your fellow islander, jim andrews, must qualify as some pretty amazing director works -- and you might know, randy, that i've long thought of macromedia's director as a kind of big brother of flash (much to the annoyance of jim :) /t. randy,

certainly the work of your fellow islander, jim andrews, must qualify as some pretty amazing director works — and you might know, randy, that i’ve long thought of macromedia’s director as a kind of big brother of flash (much to the annoyance of jim :)

/t.

]]> By: /t. http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-28 /t. Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:08:19 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-28 right, flash and acrobat (pdf) have their place -- they are very good at doing what they do -- but as artist's tools... hmm, they are maybe kind of limited... discrete elements? would need an example here -- offhand, i don't think there is anything that could be done with flash and no other system, tho, easier(?) better(?) -- sometimes yes and sometimes no (is a guess) -- you are correct, i think, that there could very well be circumstances where flash might be a 'benevolent dictator', and perfectly suited to a given task -- as i read it, SMIL is not yet as multimedia capable as flash -- then, too, SMIL is not flash -- it does things in a completely different (networked(!)) way, so any direct comparison is going to be difficult i learned recently that 'actionscript' is now based on ecmascript -- cool! this is really good news because it means that time invested in coding for flash will be transferrable beyond flash -- (this is a solution to another of my objections to flash -- that knowledge could end up being non-transferrable, so, lost -- time wasted) /t. right,
flash and acrobat (pdf) have their place — they are very good at doing what they do — but as artist’s tools… hmm, they are maybe kind of limited…

discrete elements? would need an example here — offhand, i don’t think there is anything that could be done with flash and no other system, tho, easier(?) better(?) — sometimes yes and sometimes no (is a guess) — you are correct, i think, that there could very well be circumstances where flash might be a ‘benevolent dictator’, and perfectly suited to a given task — as i read it, SMIL is not yet as multimedia capable as flash — then, too, SMIL is not flash — it does things in a completely different (networked(!)) way, so any direct comparison is going to be difficult

i learned recently that ‘actionscript’ is now based on ecmascript — cool! this is really good news because it means that time invested in coding for flash will be transferrable beyond flash — (this is a solution to another of my objections to flash — that knowledge could end up being non-transferrable, so, lost — time wasted)

/t.

]]> By: runran http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-27 runran Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:53:15 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-27 i've seen lots of works that use flash and director which allow for user input and utilize the net to gather and modify material ... but so much of the new media work i see uses flash for the sake of using flash, like little adverts for macromedia ... as an artist, this is what i feel must be transcended - the using of a tool because the tool exists, or because it's easy, like so much of the facile work done with image-editing software ... as a photographer who spent hours in the darkroom manipulating a single image, i am particularly bored with digitial imagery where the 'tool' is obvious ... also, in the past couple of years i've seen endless streams of digital animations and layered videos that don't even come close to being as expressive as the psychedelic light shows i experienced back in the 60's ... but now i'm rambling >:r i’ve seen lots of works that use flash and director which allow for user input and utilize the net to gather and modify material … but so much of the new media work i see uses flash for the sake of using flash, like little adverts for macromedia … as an artist, this is what i feel must be transcended – the using of a tool because the tool exists, or because it’s easy, like so much of the facile work done with image-editing software … as a photographer who spent hours in the darkroom manipulating a single image, i am particularly bored with digitial imagery where the ‘tool’ is obvious … also, in the past couple of years i’ve seen endless streams of digital animations and layered videos that don’t even come close to being as expressive as the psychedelic light shows i experienced back in the 60′s … but now i’m rambling

>:r

]]> By: wilx http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-26 wilx Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:56:44 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-26 i see what you mean about the flash dictator. i was at trAce's last incubation symposium a couple of years ago and i remember Ted Nelson being scathing about adobe's pdf too. but wouldn't it be possible to use flash for discrete elements, which can't be produced by other media tools, within a networked system? or is this an oxymoron, like a democratic dictator? or can SMIL really do anything that flash can do? thanks for your kind, supportive words too. cXs i see what you mean about the flash dictator. i was at trAce’s last incubation symposium a couple of years ago and i remember Ted Nelson being scathing about adobe’s pdf too. but wouldn’t it be possible to use flash for discrete elements, which can’t be produced by other media tools, within a networked system? or is this an oxymoron, like a democratic dictator? or can SMIL really do anything that flash can do?

thanks for your kind, supportive words too.

cXs

]]> By: /t. http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/comment-page-1/#comment-25 /t. Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:28:51 +0000 http://crissxross.net/wilx/2007/02/13/used-to-be-big/#comment-25 cXs, haven't seen a lot of your work -- here and at remix -- but i do like what i've seen thus far -- i think you do good work -- wonderfully inventive -- for what if anything that might be worth to you my questions were badly framed -- haste -- and 'winging it' here in a comment box -- i mean only that all artists eventually must get past the medium and techniques demanded by same to achieve 'art' -- sometimes referred to as 'transcending the medium' -- and, my q.s are rhetorical -- you can safely ignore them and/or anything else i post :) re: mcp -- if you know the story (tron) the mcp was as a dictator -- taking all resources for itself and enslaving the other 'users' (programs) -- flash is a bit like mcp in that it carries all resources within itself and overrides the other programs -- it effectively denies the intelligence of the client (and user) -- the statement it makes is "i'm the designer and i know better than you how you should be receiving this" -- of course, i disagree annoying arrogance aside, the amazing possibility to create an infinite (practically) variety of art on the network by exploiting user resources (systems, setup, and preferences) is denied -- the opportunity to fully engage users in a dynamic production of art (beyond simple point and click 'hypertext') is lost -- flash is mcp-like 'father knows best' thinking, non-networking i do enjoy your work, cXs, and yours and Randy's thoughts on subjects touched on here and at remix with thanks, /t. cXs,

haven’t seen a lot of your work — here and at remix — but i do like what i’ve seen thus far — i think you do good work — wonderfully inventive — for what if anything that might be worth to you

my questions were badly framed — haste — and ‘winging it’ here in a comment box — i mean only that all artists eventually must get past the medium and techniques demanded by same to achieve ‘art’ — sometimes referred to as ‘transcending the medium’ — and, my q.s are rhetorical — you can safely ignore them and/or anything else i post :)

re: mcp — if you know the story (tron) the mcp was as a dictator — taking all resources for itself and enslaving the other ‘users’ (programs) — flash is a bit like mcp in that it carries all resources within itself and overrides the other programs — it effectively denies the intelligence of the client (and user) — the statement it makes is “i’m the designer and i know better than you how you should be receiving this” — of course, i disagree

annoying arrogance aside, the amazing possibility to create an infinite (practically) variety of art on the network by exploiting user resources (systems, setup, and preferences) is denied — the opportunity to fully engage users in a dynamic production of art (beyond simple point and click ‘hypertext’) is lost — flash is mcp-like ‘father knows best’ thinking, non-networking

i do enjoy your work, cXs, and yours and Randy’s thoughts on subjects touched on here and at remix

with thanks,

/t.

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